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Old 12-24-2012, 18:17   #21
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We all should take some offence to that statement. It wasn’t two months ago that American Airlines had several planes grounded for just that. I agree with you. The problem is inexperience labor not being trained or supervised as the FARs require. That’s why I say 43.3D is a grey area and needs to be regulated better.
In a large MRO such as Timco Or Pemco this is probably a larger problem then say a GA shop that only has 10 or so employees.

In a small GA shop you will probably have someone supervising you 24/7.
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Old 12-29-2012, 00:41   #22
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So let me get this right, I got insulted... Not just a mild insult, but an extreme insult. And I spit back some profanity and somehow I get banned?

Are you serious? I'm a mechanic, not a sunday school teacher. Please tell me what kind of language you use at your job? Because that language was fairly mild compared to some of the things I hear every day.

I'm so done with this forum, it's dead anyways. Nothing but trolls like swag queen
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:03   #23
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Attitude, one of the few things we actually have control over.... change yours! Please!
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:52   #24
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Take it or leave it Brett. It's simple; as long as you can act like a professional, you're welcome. If you can't handle it, leave. No one's going to lose sleep if you leave.
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Old 12-29-2012, 17:32   #25
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So let me get this right, I got insulted... Not just a mild insult, but an extreme insult. And I spit back some profanity and somehow I get banned?

Are you serious? I'm a mechanic, not a sunday school teacher. Please tell me what kind of language you use at your job? Because that language was fairly mild compared to some of the things I hear every day.

I'm so done with this forum, it's dead anyways. Nothing but trolls like swag queen


Ok. If its too much to ask for you to use a little decorum while you are here perhaps this isnt the place for you.
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Old 12-29-2012, 20:08   #26
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I'm so done with this forum, it's dead anyways.

I Seem to remember a similar post around october in a different thread---
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Old 12-29-2012, 20:56   #27
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I only have a couple of points to add to this thread,

#1, The pay scale in any mechanical field is very wide, you average Volkswagen bug mechanic does not make the same as a professional import tuner or Italian super car specialist. You earn what your skills make you worth.

#2, If you cannot keep a cool head and represent yourself in a professional manner, do not expect anyone to treat you as a professional.

#3, This is America, if you are not happy with your situation, change it. I am responsible for my actions and my career decisions, and I'm damn happy with them, if I wasn't I would change them.

So I guess I'll answer the original question, I'm a professional, what are you?
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Old 12-29-2012, 22:41   #28
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...if you are not happy with your situation, change it.
Firing my old boss was one of the best moves I've ever made.
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:16   #29
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Attitude, one of the few things we actually have control over.... change yours! Please!
Nicely put!
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:05   #30
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Brettboat should calm down and think before he write, but he should not be threated as a bad mechanic because he only earns 9$/h.
A friend of mine earns 120K €/year and he's not in a warzone and long away from his family. Does than mean he's better than the other guy? Maybe he his(i really think he is) but not for sure.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:49   #31
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Brettboat should calm down and think before he write, but he should not be threated as a bad mechanic because he only earns 9$/h.
A friend of mine earns 120K €/year and he's not in a warzone and long away from his family. Does than mean he's better than the other guy? Maybe he his(i really think he is) but not for sure.

He's a full time A&P student at Middle Georgia Technical College with a year left in school
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Old 12-30-2012, 15:45   #32
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You make some good points. But you have to remember. Aviation is a special area to work in. I can’t tell you how many times I've heard this statement.

“I would work on planes for free if I could"

We work in a very special field. Imagine you're working as a car mechanic. And after you get done fixing the brakes. You get to ride along with the boss to make sure they worked. Oh Boy

Now imagine you just fixed a problem on a helicopter. And the boss says. Let’s go check it out.

My first time flying in a Huey was the best day of my career. Talking to the pilots over the ICS system. Hanging out the open doors as we flew around the base. For a kid just a few months out of avionics tech school. It was fantastic.

During the whole flight I was thinking to myself. "These idiots pay me to do this job”

Another thing to consider on the issue of pay. Is how many of the guys you work with are military retires? Where I am at it’s about 30 percent.

They are collecting a paycheck and free medical. So they don't push back on only making 20 dollars an hour. They do it to just get out of the house and away from the wife.

So you get a guy who is straight out of A/P school. And they want to make a good living. Why should they pay them a decent wage? When the company can hire a retiree who has 20 plus years of experience. And can also afford to work for 20 dollars.

Now on your job offers. I was making more money when I was working for Boeing 10 years ago. But that is true for almost everyone. Because of the economy the last couple of years.

If I were you I would go with contracting first. Show the company what you can do. And when the time comes around. And they want you to work permanent. That’s when you cut a deal with them. If they are a worthless company to work for. You can just walk.

In the meantime. You’re working for 20 dollars an hour. And getting 150 a day tax free Per-Diem. That’s 100k a year working 40 hours a week.

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Old 12-31-2012, 01:28   #33
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You make some good points. But you have to remember. Aviation is a special area to work in. I can’t tell you how many times I've heard this statement.

“I would work on planes for free if I could"


During the whole flight I was thinking to myself. "These idiots pay me to do this job”
That's a great point. I remember feeling that way......and I still do to this day. I try to be responsible about it now (obviously), but there are still times........
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Old 12-31-2012, 14:15   #34
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How many jobs do you know where every one stops what there doing. Just to watch their work?

Ive been on the line for awhile. And still stop what im doing to watch a plane taxi by or take off.
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Old 12-31-2012, 14:26   #35
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Can you do me a favor and send me an email. I had a couple of questions about working in Afghanistan.

MC5Wes@gmail.com

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Old 01-01-2013, 16:52   #36
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So let me get this right, I got insulted... Not just a mild insult, but an extreme insult. And I spit back some profanity and somehow I get banned?

Are you serious? I'm a mechanic, not a sunday school teacher. Please tell me what kind of language you use at your job? Because that language was fairly mild compared to some of the things I hear every day.

I'm so done with this forum, it's dead anyways. Nothing but trolls like swag queen
I chalked his comments up to you as ignorance/arrogance. You flying off the handle was not ok. You 'spit back' a little more than profanity. If it had stayed at profanity it probably wouldn't have been an issue but when my mail box starts blowing up with reported post complaints about your rantings then we have to step in.

And what kind of language do I use at my job? Professional language. Do I cuss like a sailor? Many times. But there is a time and place for it and a way to go about it. If the best retort you can make to someone that you feel is insulting you is to curse him out and make homosexual references about his lifestyle, perhaps you should work on your communication skills.

Just my

Oh, and thanks for insulting this forum while you were at it. Its nice to be appreciated for providing a free service to people such as yourself.
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Old 01-01-2013, 17:11   #37
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By the way genus SWAG is a sheet medal acronym for Scientific Wild Ass Guess
Not to defend Brett, but after buying back sheet "metal" work for 25 years I can attest that SWAG is an acronym for Simple Wild Ass Guess, or Stupid Wild Ass Guess... there is nothing Scientific about a Wild Ass Guess. To hint publicly that making wild ass guesses when performing structural repairs on aircraft is such commonplace that there's an acronym for it, well, ;( And any group that adopts an acronym that already has another meaning that they may not like, aint too bright.

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Old 01-01-2013, 18:05   #38
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...questions about working in Afghanistan.
Not that you asked me, but I spent two years there. And it's a not worth it.

But that wasn't as a contractor, so maybe there's a difference; just not enough to make it worth it for me, though.
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Old 01-01-2013, 20:07   #39
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Yeah, Its not for me. Ive got enough time in the giant kitty litter box.

Its for some friends who are getting close to retirement. And are are behind the 8 ball. And need to take care of things before quiting for good.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:02   #40
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I became an Aircraft Mechanic because I love and breathe aviation. I am a 3rd generation A&P, my father and my grandfather both have A&P licenses. Like everyone I have bills to pay and a family to take care of. That is why I am in this hell hole sand box, because in the States the pay is such crap for A&P’s. I cannot put my kids in college and a roof over their heads with $20-30 an hour. Love does not pay the bills. Sweat and hard work with morally correct compensation does. That is fine if you’re ok with $15-$20 an hour. Did you forget how hard the writtens were? All that hard work for what? Not everyone can get an A&P. I do not care if you have 20years experience you still will not pass the written exam without studying your butt off. The A&P license is worth as much as a Bachelor’s Degree for each license and should be paid accordingly. Not all A&P’s have a military pension to make up the difference in the lack in pay. It is not fair and not good for the industry. I feel sorry for the guys that get $10 bucks an hour that work in GA, have their A&P’s and a part 147 education. As far as what I have seen. The A&P’s that graduated from a part 147 school are better trained than guys that have 8-10yrs military experience. We are professionals just like a lawyer or a Doctor or a Cop and there is no reason we should not be paid the same. All three have to have an education, all three have to have a license and all three have lives in stake when they are on the job just like us. You can dumb down the profession and write it off as a hobby. The fact is it’s not. It is better than that and it’s not getting better and we all need to wake up and do something about it. The pilots did.

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